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How to tell Velvet rollrim from Brown rollrim

How they differ, how to recognize them and which is more dangerous — a mushroom comparison

Warning: Brown rollrim(Paxillus involutus)

The short answer

Velvet rollrim and Brown rollrim look alike, so they're easy to mix up — but Velvet rollrim is inedible, while Brown rollrim is poisonous. The main visible difference: size: Velvet rollrim — medium (5–15 cm), large (over 15 cm), Brown rollrim — medium (5–15 cm). The mushrooms also differ in the following features: cap color, cap shape, smell. If you have even the slightest doubt, leave the mushroom be.

Brown rollrim (Paxillus involutus): two mushrooms with olive-brown caps on moss among twigs

Brown rollrim

Paxillus involutus

PoisonousExpert-verified
Velvet rollrim from the side: brown cap with an inrolled margin, cream gills and a thick velvety stem among pine needles

Velvet rollrim

Tapinella atrotomentosa

InedibleExpert-verified

📊 Comparing characteristics

⚠ Highlighted rows are the key differences between the edible and the dangerous mushroom

Comparison of characteristics: Brown rollrim and Velvet rollrim
⚠ Edibility class

Brown rollrim

Poisonous

Velvet rollrim

Inedible
Season

Brown rollrim

SummerAutumn

Velvet rollrim

SummerAutumn
Use

Brown rollrim

Not eaten

Velvet rollrim

Not eaten
⚠ Size

Brown rollrim

Medium (5–15 cm)

Velvet rollrim

Medium (5–15 cm)Large (over 15 cm)
⚠ Cap color

Brown rollrim

BrownOlive

Velvet rollrim

BrownRustyDark brown
⚠ Cap shape

Brown rollrim

ConcaveFunnel-shaped

Velvet rollrim

ConvexDepressedIrregular
Cap surface

Brown rollrim

DryVelvety

Velvet rollrim

VelvetyDry
Taste

Brown rollrim

Bitter

Velvet rollrim

Bitter
⚠ Smell

Brown rollrim

Earthy

Velvet rollrim

Neutral
Flesh color change

Brown rollrim

Darkens

Velvet rollrim

Darkens
Hymenophore

Brown rollrim

Gilled

Velvet rollrim

Gilled
⚠ Stem

Brown rollrim

CentralSolid

Velvet rollrim

CentralEccentric
Ring (veil)

Brown rollrim

No ring

Velvet rollrim

No ring
Volva

Brown rollrim

No volva

Velvet rollrim

No volva
⚠ Substrate

Brown rollrim

Soil

Velvet rollrim

On woodDead wood
⚠ Nutrition type

Brown rollrim

Mycorrhizal

Velvet rollrim

Saprotroph
⚠ Partner trees

Brown rollrim

BirchAspenOak

Velvet rollrim

PineSpruce

📅 Seasonality

Brown rollrim

Fruiting season

June – October

Velvet rollrim

Fruiting season

July – October

🔬 Morphology

Cap

Brown rollrim

Cap 5–15 cm across, convex in young mushrooms, then depressed or funnel-shaped. Surface smooth, hairy-felty in young ones, almost bare in mature ones, olive brown or yellowish brown, sticky in wet weather. The margin stays rolled under for a long time — a characteristic feature.

Velvet rollrim

The cap is large: usually 5–15 cm, and some reach 30 cm. It starts out convex, then flattens, sinks in the center and often becomes tongue-shaped or wavy, while the margin stays rolled under for a long time.

The color is rusty brown, ochre brown or walnut brown, often with darker patches. The surface is dry and finely felted, like suede to the touch.

Hymenophore

Brown rollrim

Gills crowded, thin, ocher-yellow or olive, easily separating from the flesh when pressed, browning when damaged. They run down the stem. This tendency to brown when pressed is a useful identification feature.

Velvet rollrim

The gills are crowded, cream-yellow or pale ochre, browning with age. They run down the stem and near it they fork and join up with cross-veins. They darken when pressed.

The spore print is yellowish brown.

Stem

Brown rollrim

Stem 3–8 cm tall, 1–2 cm thick, firm, solid, cylindrical or tapering downward, the same color as the cap or slightly paler. No ring and no volva.

Velvet rollrim

The stem is short and very thick: 2–7 cm tall, sometimes up to 12 cm, and 1.5–3.5 cm wide, up to 5 cm on big specimens. It's central or off to one side, cylindrical or widening toward the base, and often sunk into wood or moss.

The key feature of the species: the stem is densely covered in dark brown, almost black velvety down. There is no ring.

Flesh

Brown rollrim

Flesh yellowish cream or brownish, firm in young ones, looser in mature ones. Browns when damaged. Has a slightly acrid or sourish taste. Does not exude milk.

Velvet rollrim

The flesh is firm, whitish, yellowish or ochre, and darkens on exposure to air. The taste is sometimes bitterish, and unpleasant in old specimens. Insects rarely eat it: when the fruit body is damaged, it produces substances that deter insects.

Smell

Brown rollrim

Smell sourish and pleasant, like fruit or vinegar, especially in mature mushrooms. This neutral, even pleasant smell is exactly what helped the mushroom pass as edible for so long.

Velvet rollrim

The smell is faint and unremarkable. So you can't recognize the velvet rollrim by smell; look at the stem and at where the mushroom is growing instead.

📍 Habitats

👀 Similar mushrooms — don't mix them up!

❓ Frequently asked questions

Can Velvet rollrim and Brown rollrim be mixed up?
Yes. These species look alike, and Brown rollrim is poisonous, so a mistake is dangerous. Pay attention to the size, cap color, cap shape.
How to tell Velvet rollrim from Brown rollrim?
The main differences: size: Velvet rollrim — medium (5–15 cm), large (over 15 cm), Brown rollrim — medium (5–15 cm); cap color: Velvet rollrim — brown, rusty, dark brown, Brown rollrim — brown, olive; cap shape: Velvet rollrim — convex, depressed, irregular, Brown rollrim — concave, funnel-shaped. As for edibility: Velvet rollrim is inedible, Brown rollrim is poisonous. The full table of characteristics is higher up on this page.
Which is more dangerous — Velvet rollrim or Brown rollrim?
More dangerous: Brown rollrim, which is poisonous. Velvet rollrim is inedible. If you have even the slightest doubt, don't pick the mushroom.
Is Brown rollrim edible?
Brown rollrim — poisonous. It must not be picked or eaten.
When do Velvet rollrim and Brown rollrim grow?
Velvet rollrim — July–October; Brown rollrim — June–October.

Sources

  • [1]Атлас грибів України, Зеров Д.К. (1979)
  • [2]GBIF
  • [3]First Nature, Pat O'Reilly
  • [4]Вікіпедія (українська)
  • [5]Wikipedia (English)
  • [6]Википедия (русская)