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Poisonpie or Weeping widow

Poisonpie and Weeping widow are similar species that can be mixed up while foraging. The main visible difference: ring (veil): Poisonpie — no ring, Weeping widow — cobweb-like, ring remnants. The mushrooms also differ in the following features: stem, cap surface, smell.

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Side by side

PoisonpieWeeping widow
Comparison of characteristics: Poisonpie and Weeping widow
Cap colourPoisonpie: Cream, Yellow, BrownWeeping widow: Brown, Orange, Rusty
Cap shapePoisonpie: ConvexWeeping widow: Convex, Umbonate
Cap surfacePoisonpie: SlimyWeeping widow: Fibrous, Scaly, Dry
TastePoisonpie: BitterWeeping widow: —
SmellPoisonpie: Radish-likeWeeping widow: Odourless
StemPoisonpie: BulbousWeeping widow: Central, Hollow
Ring (veil)Poisonpie: No ringWeeping widow: Cobweb-like, Ring remnants
SubstratePoisonpie: Soil, Forest litterWeeping widow: Soil
Nutrition typePoisonpie: MycorrhizalWeeping widow: Saprotroph
Partner treesPoisonpie: Birch, Oak, Pine, SpruceWeeping widow: —
Growth habitPoisonpie: In groups, In ringsWeeping widow: Solitary, In groups, In clusters from one base

Same in both: edibility class, season, use, size, flesh colour change, hymenophore.

When and where they meet

Together: August–November

Their seasons overlap: August–November. At that time you can find both in the same woods. Shared habitats: deciduous forest, mixed forest.

Poisonpie

Fruiting season

August – November

Weeping widow

Fruiting season

June – November

What they look like

Cap, Hymenophore, Stem, Flesh, Smell

Cap

Poisonpie

The cap is 4-10 cm, hemispherical at first, then flat-convex with a broad umbo. It's sandy yellow to creamy brown, darker in the centre. The surface is sticky (hence the Ukrainian name, “sticky hebeloma”): distinctly slimy in wet weather and glossy, as if varnished, when dry.

Weeping widow

The cap is 3 to 10 cm across, occasionally 12 cm. It starts bell-shaped or hemispherical with an inrolled margin, then becomes convex to almost flat, usually with a low, broad bump.

The surface is dry and densely fibrous, woolly or finely scaly, with fibres radiating from the centre. It's tawny, ochre or yellow-brown, darker in the centre. A pale, ragged fringe of veil hangs from the edge and wears off with age.

Hymenophore

Poisonpie

The gills are crowded and notched-adnate to the stem, white at first and turning reddish brown as the spores mature. In young mushrooms they bead with distinctive “droplets” of moisture, a diagnostic feature of the genus Hebeloma. Spore print rusty brown.

Weeping widow

The gills are attached and crowded, pale yellow-brown at first, then dark brown, mottled and almost black, with white edges. In damp weather droplets form along the edges, turn black with spores and leave dark spots. On young caps a cobweb-like veil covers the gills.

The spore print is black or blackish brown.

Stem

Poisonpie

The stem is 3-10 cm tall and 1-1.5 cm thick, often with a club-shaped, thickened base. It's white, yellowing with age, especially toward the bottom, and covered with a fine white mealy bloom. No ring.

Weeping widow

The stem is 5 to 12 cm tall and 0.5 to 1.5 cm thick, whitish at the top and browner below, fibrous or scaly, hollow and brittle.

There's no true ring: near the top the veil leaves a fibrous ring zone that turns black with spores, like a pen line round the stem.

Flesh

Poisonpie

The flesh is white or creamy, yellowing slightly in old mushrooms, and doesn't change colour when cut. It's firm but not springy.

Weeping widow

The flesh is thin, whitish to watery brown, browner at the stem base, and doesn't change colour when cut.

Smell

Poisonpie

A distinct radish smell is the key diagnostic feature; some authors call it “rotting radish.” The taste is bitterish and unpleasant. Don't taste it raw: it's mildly toxic.

Weeping widow

The smell is indistinct.

Related comparisons

Sources · 19

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