Poisonpie or Weeping widow
Poisonpie and Weeping widow are similar species that can be mixed up while foraging. The main visible difference: ring (veil): Poisonpie — no ring, Weeping widow — cobweb-like, ring remnants. The mushrooms also differ in the following features: stem, cap surface, smell.
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| Characteristic | Poisonpie | Weeping widow |
|---|---|---|
| Cap colour | Poisonpie: Cream, Yellow, Brown | Weeping widow: Brown, Orange, Rusty |
| Cap shape | Poisonpie: Convex | Weeping widow: Convex, Umbonate |
| Cap surface | Poisonpie: Slimy | Weeping widow: Fibrous, Scaly, Dry |
| Taste | Poisonpie: Bitter | Weeping widow: — |
| Smell | Poisonpie: Radish-like | Weeping widow: Odourless |
| Stem | Poisonpie: Bulbous | Weeping widow: Central, Hollow |
| Ring (veil) | Poisonpie: No ring | Weeping widow: Cobweb-like, Ring remnants |
| Substrate | Poisonpie: Soil, Forest litter | Weeping widow: Soil |
| Nutrition type | Poisonpie: Mycorrhizal | Weeping widow: Saprotroph |
| Partner trees | Poisonpie: Birch, Oak, Pine, Spruce | Weeping widow: — |
| Growth habit | Poisonpie: In groups, In rings | Weeping widow: Solitary, In groups, In clusters from one base |
Same in both: edibility class, season, use, size, flesh colour change, hymenophore.
When and where they meet
Together: August–November
What they look like
Cap, Hymenophore, Stem, Flesh, Smell
Cap
Poisonpie
The cap is 4-10 cm, hemispherical at first, then flat-convex with a broad umbo. It's sandy yellow to creamy brown, darker in the centre. The surface is sticky (hence the Ukrainian name, “sticky hebeloma”): distinctly slimy in wet weather and glossy, as if varnished, when dry.
Weeping widow
The cap is 3 to 10 cm across, occasionally 12 cm. It starts bell-shaped or hemispherical with an inrolled margin, then becomes convex to almost flat, usually with a low, broad bump.
The surface is dry and densely fibrous, woolly or finely scaly, with fibres radiating from the centre. It's tawny, ochre or yellow-brown, darker in the centre. A pale, ragged fringe of veil hangs from the edge and wears off with age.
Hymenophore
Poisonpie
The gills are crowded and notched-adnate to the stem, white at first and turning reddish brown as the spores mature. In young mushrooms they bead with distinctive “droplets” of moisture, a diagnostic feature of the genus Hebeloma. Spore print rusty brown.
Weeping widow
The gills are attached and crowded, pale yellow-brown at first, then dark brown, mottled and almost black, with white edges. In damp weather droplets form along the edges, turn black with spores and leave dark spots. On young caps a cobweb-like veil covers the gills.
The spore print is black or blackish brown.
Stem
Poisonpie
The stem is 3-10 cm tall and 1-1.5 cm thick, often with a club-shaped, thickened base. It's white, yellowing with age, especially toward the bottom, and covered with a fine white mealy bloom. No ring.
Weeping widow
The stem is 5 to 12 cm tall and 0.5 to 1.5 cm thick, whitish at the top and browner below, fibrous or scaly, hollow and brittle.
There's no true ring: near the top the veil leaves a fibrous ring zone that turns black with spores, like a pen line round the stem.
Flesh
Poisonpie
The flesh is white or creamy, yellowing slightly in old mushrooms, and doesn't change colour when cut. It's firm but not springy.
Weeping widow
The flesh is thin, whitish to watery brown, browner at the stem base, and doesn't change colour when cut.
Smell
Poisonpie
A distinct radish smell is the key diagnostic feature; some authors call it “rotting radish.” The taste is bitterish and unpleasant. Don't taste it raw: it's mildly toxic.
Weeping widow
The smell is indistinct.
Related comparisons
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